Didn't this clique' ever go away?

What about the people who made BK memorable (for the better)?

where are/is:

Steve Traveros Dave Handley Steve Fish Brett Okheisen(sorry for the spelling) Dave Paschke J.W. Penland Chris Peck Blake Vauter Mark Skelton Kris Ware (by the way, an absolute hero in my account). Julie Tepley Jason King Don Wertman Pete Woychick(never could spell that one) Pat Cusick Rob Thompson Brooks Chrissy Instead we get the same chatter about Julianne, Sherilynn, Jody and who can forget "It's not what you know, but who you know" Matt Desert.

Didn't you guys ever grow up?

By the way I am so glad to see that all you 1987 graduates are all Captains of Industry.

You fellow Knight

You know people like this............... I realize that this site is new and maybe not alot of people know about it yet

Christine, what has become of you? I got the subtle hint (like a bull dozer) that you are in business for yourself. What do you do? Do you sell a product or service?

I can't quite put my finger on just what type of business you would be involved with. Back in high school I would have assumed lawyer, or at the least political activist (PETA perhaps?)

Oh yea, don't let me forget to address the issue of Mr. Adult/Socialist Party member. Nice touch on that one :)

Is it so bad to grow up and leave behind the past? How about the endless prattle that goes on between you guys (yes, I also payed attention in Sr. Lillians class) It is pathetic.

Here's a thought (try and stick with me here, it calls for some pretty open minded thinking) Maybe Dr. George Michelle PhD, (spelling is most likely incorrect), was correct when he muttered, after kicking you out of class for the umpteenth time, "these spoiled little brats will most likely grow up to be self-important blowhards" Yes, he really said that!

Maybe he was correct about about that one.

Also, off the subject....You are in Michigan? Did you go to school there (college) I attended school there in Ann Arbor for a short time (oh no, a clue).

From the desk of the Adult/Socialist party president:

Anonymous.

Oh, I can't wait for your next EBONICS class. asstastic, that is a gem. YOU GO GIRL!

Man! you are one bitter person! What do you care if these people are chatting each other up and talking about the "olden days" of unpaved parking lots, "Sowell Food", and the tragic genius of LL.

I wasn't in your class but feel compelled to ask "where is your kelly pride?"

Come on lil' buddie dust off that members-only jacket, pop a couple of menthos and lighten up. Otherwise,you'll never get the spirt stick and get to leave Mass early.

You come off as some sort of apologist for "dr." George Michel, which is really, really pathetic. He was and is a very condesending guy, granted he didn't deserve some of the abuse we generously heaped on him but I always got the feeling that he really didn't care much for teaching or was ,at best, indifferent to his students.

I guess you don't want to reveal yourself or Matt" Nice to all who know him" Dessert would beat you like a red-headed step child. Anyway I'm back to 1986 and my exclusive "Van Hagar" collection. Howdy to all.

What better place to act juvenile than on your high school's alumni message board?

I have to say, Dr. Michelle was no Mark Hoffman. (Incidentally, Evelyn said he was in alaska, hoping to reach montana a few years back, but his email bounced back on me, so if anyone has a clue where he is, tell him about our little site). I sure would have hated to be the teacher that followed in his footsteps; I had a similar experience in grad school (I got the worst instructor review I ever got, because everyone took that class just to learn from Rick Gill, this god among professors). Regardless, the Michelle was not equipped with whatever it takes to be a high school teacher, and I doubt I would have liked a college course either. Kind of a bitter man, intellectually superior, incredibly boring human being.

I may have been a middle class brat, and maybe I still am, but I do know that rich little brats aren't really that much different from middle class or poor little brats. Maybe they get in a few more car wrecks or perhaps they use their money to make people feel inferior. People who don't have the luxury of money can still perform a destructive or negative act, possibly by inflicting their judgements and negative attitudes on others.

What I see in these anonymous posts is more resentfulness and insecurity from someone who has more trouble letting go of the past than anyone else who has posted about their CURRENT LIFE and what is happening, which is the point of the $%^&* board anyway. If you want to hear from people, then tell them about the web site. Or tell us about yourself (names sure do help!)

Of course, considering what's been said already, I can understand if you keep your identity to yourself.

Anyways back to my resentful monologue..........................

Do you guys really think that dr. michelle would have taken that teaching job if he would have realized what spoiled little pricks we were. Bishop Kelly was always proclaimed to be the "elite" school. We were suppose to be a college prep school that cared more about academics and social issues than any other. He was duped into thinking that we were the elite. He found that we were instead eliteists(hope the spelling is right on that one).

Bishop Kelly was a tremendous source of pride for me. I made lifelong friends that I will never forget. There is still one sore spot, and it is the double standard of BK. After graduation one of our fellow knights was involved in a little DUI isident (name withheld) and wasn't it a surprise to see that the cure for drinking and driving was MONEY and INFLUENCE. I guess the right attorney or the right friends is the gold at the end of the rainbow. "not what you know, but who you know"

Now on the other hand..........does anyone know the story behind Kristopher Ware? If not ask around. There is BK pride, spirit, and of course the overused term BIOTZ. He is one person I would gladly "cyber" with.

Maybe instead of trying to impress everyone on the planet with your influence, grace, charm, and BS. Go out into the world and make a difference. Do something that does not benefit YOU.

Let's see if we can all try to rekindle the spirit that got us to BK in the first place.

Yours in Christ,

Fr. Ralph Drendle.(just kidding).

Why are not willing to say who you are? Are you working for some sort of--oh no--company?

What do I do? If it makes you feel better, I am an indexer of books [my own "company" -- i.e. a computer], I cook 500 meals a week for homeless people [one night a week], I write resturant reviews for a Detroit-based paper, I write book review for Kirkus, The Womans Review of Books and Booklist, I work in the Office of Development at the University of Michigan about 20 hours a week doing research [for health insurance], I recently worked on the Bradly campaign and my political activism is orientated towards real live people.

I was kicked out of Dr. whatever's class because I was a brat. An intelligent brat. I also was so bored by someone who had never heard of George Eliot and Virginia Woolf and resentful by the lack of respect he gave to everyone, especially women and people with curiosity about the world. I don't feel bad about that whole thing at all. Mike Harrington has it right, as usual.

So enough of this shit. Kris Ware worked for the DEA [that's intelligence working] last time I heard. Either identify yourself and find your idol or just go away.

In fact, I don't think people should post messages to this board unless they identify themselves.

What is your obsession wiyh Christine Mack? I should say I ventured out of the 1987 forum to see what was going on outside and stumbled upon this little dialogue.....

I doubt that this is the correct forum for this conversation. I do not want to come to a website to hear you or anyone else bash my memories, friends, or ideals.

I took the liberty of trying to find out which of my fellow classmates (if you are one of us)you are Wouldn't you know I found your e-mail address. Everything leaves a trail...even you.

Just so everyone can enjoy the fruit of my labor.....YOU DIDN'T EVEN GRADUATE WITH US. YOU WANT TO KNOW PATHETIC, LOOK IN THE MIRROR. YOU HARBOR FEELINGS FOR PEOPLE YOU DIDN'T EVEN KNOW.

IF THESE E-MAIL MESSAGES DO NOT STOP I WILL SEND YOUR ADDRESS TO EVERY SPAM MAILING LIST ON THE PLANET.

WHO EVER IS IN CHARGE OF THIS WEBSITE, PLEASE DELETE THESE E-MAILS AND LET'S START FRESH FROM SQUARE ONE.

I'm the first to say that my personal experience at BK was far from idyllic. In all of my life, I don't believe I've ever felt as out of place and out of touch as I did at BK. Perhaps it was because I wasn't there long enough to develop close ties with my fellow classmates. Perhaps it was because I wasn't raised Catholic. Maybe it was the lifestyle change that came with moving from a liberal ski resort to Boise. Maybe it was because I was too young, bullheaded, and immature to appreciate what and who was around me. Most likely it was a mix of all of this.

While I too could find plenty of reason to focus on the bad experiences I had during those years (down to specific phrases spoken by inane instructors and certain classmates), I like to think I've grown past that.

What I've found refreshing about the 10-year reunion and this message board is that most of us are doing really cool, interesting, and socially reponsible things with our lives. It's amazing to think back to who and what we all were in 1987 and what each of us has become.

If I've learned anything during the past 13 years, it's that harboring bad feelings for years and years isn't good for my health (or Karma). It's a sad thing that our anonymous friend hasn't learned the same lesson.

But after rereading the messages, and talking to some of those who were personally flamed by the anonymous perpetrator, I have concluded we should let the thread stand as is.

First, I am impressed with the rather thoughtful responses, such as from Mike Wise. Not everyone had the greatest experience at BK, and Mike has clearly put that in perspective, and in sharp contrast from where this thread began.

Second, the internet is the place for free expression. Setting some rules so early in the life of this website may not be the most wise thing to do.

Certainly libel, porno etc. will be dispatched with no hesitation. To require people to identify themselves, or to set other rules at this time, only draws lines in the sand and in turn would lead to myself or some other unlucky person to act as a "hall monitor" on this an every other thread. And I don't want to do that. I thought we all left that behind at the building on Franklin Road. Andy '78

I wonder though, about allowing people to post anonymously. I don't agree with that. Critisizm is one thing, cowardly anonymous postings targeted at individuals is entirely different. Especially considering that the other "citizens" of the Site have given their names, addresses, email addresses, etc.

Just a thought.

Katie Kerby '92

Andy -- I agree with you. However, why not start a new thread every month or so? It's rather strange that so many warm and interesting postings emerged from an initial [easy easy] assualt? Why is my subject listed as "great web site"? It is but...

I'm also sorry that I became so obsessed with this thing, everyone. I just thought, as Mike Wise and others have stated, that this is so encouraging, so good. We are different people with enduring qualities but have a common experience. Trust me, Mike Wise, I really didn't have anything but school to get me going. I know jumping around acting like I cared about football is a bit extreme, but it was better than home.

Back into the class of 1997 everyone, or, hopefully, another thread of everyone's voices, with a different instigator, different title, whatever.

Take care -- Christine

I can only assume that such criticism is coming from a supreme being since only he could pass such judgment upon others. I don't know who you are and quite honestly, I don't care. I know it wouldn't take much to find out, but you're not worth the effort. If you can post such an impressive list of achievements as Christine then please do. I know I cannot. (Way to go Christine!!)

Me, the lowly cocktail waitress with the college degree, simply tries to make life better every day for myself, my family, my friends, and everyone I come in contact with every day. Isn't that what we were molded into by BK whether we enjoyed it or not?

The board brightens my day every time I look at it. It obviously doesn't yours so don't look. I agree with all that it shouldn't be censored - everyone has a right to an opinion, some are just totally insignificant. Yes, I think you are a big VOID.

I am proud of the class of '87, and everyone in it including that self-serving Matt who is one of the most creative and interesting people I've ever met, that incredible organizer Julianne without whom any of us would even be here, that incredible "capitan" of industry Christine, Sherilyn, etc., etc.,etc.

Can't we all just get along??!! Money and power make the world go 'round, but individuals make the difference.

YAR DUDE!!!

Your spelling is excellent for such an obsessive manic depressive. <--Sarcasm.

Sticking up for Dr. Michelle is beautiful, but at least try and act like you learned some English during your far superior experience. If you are a part of 87, you need to know that your writing skills are sub par, and I can tutor you. For instance:

"where are/is:" ARE suffices "You fellow Knight" - what is it you're trying to say, man.

The irony of you is that you spend so much time in your righteous chair typing out these posts, trying to convince yourself you're too good. Yet, you post. You spend the same time, but in a much more psychotic way. You're so insecure, it glows. Why is that? Harbor any resentment lately? I think you need a hug, and I'm willing to give it. You must have some issues, and I'm willing to work them out with you. Tantrum is an understatement, but one does think about a passafire and how badly you need one.

Nothing more impressive than an anonymous poster. Such courage... You've come a long way. I'm proud to say I never did grow up, and if you are an example of doing so, I'm glad I chose my path. If I had your attitude and outlook, oh cowardly one, I'd ask for a tissue. LOL!

It's coco puffs, coward.

I've kept in very good touch with 3/4 of your list... Steve Traveros Dave Handley Steve Fish Brett Okheisen(sorry for the spelling) Dave Paschke J.W. Penland Chris Peck Blake Vauter Mark Skelton Kris Ware (by the way, an absolute hero in my account). Julie Tepley Jason King Don Wertman Pete Woychick(never could spell that one) Pat Cusick Rob Thompson Brooks Chrissy

and could have let you know what each is doing, but I fear for their lives now... Except Kris Ware. He carries a gun, and is well schooled in the art of self-defense. I still hope you come to the next reunion thing... I'll bring the pillows.

You say; "There is still one sore spot, and it is the double standard of BK. After graduation one of our fellow knights was involved in a little DUI isident "not what you know, but who you know" (name withheld) and wasn't it a surprise to see that the cure for drinking and driving was MONEY and INFLUENCE. I guess the right attorney or the right friends is the gold at the end of the rainbow."

1st, it's too late to withhold my name, coward.

2nd, incident is spelled "incident," not "isident." Forget not graduating from BK with 87, did you at all? Your ignorance with the English language only accentuates your ignorance in subject matter, and in life.

3rd, I'm glad you've written my experiences off as such. I remember it being very different. You say "the cure for drinking and driving was MONEY and INFLUENCE." I'm not ashamed to admit I made this mistake, especially being from 87. I'm hardly alone. Sign of the times.

How about the fact that I knew the law well enough to know what to do in this situation. It's called intelligence, but I don't think you'll understand that concept. When you know you've had too much, don't blow. Of course, this no longer applies, but back then, it did... Thus, another point to my slander lawsuit - INATTENTIVE DRIVING, not a DUI. However, I remember how easy it was sitting in jail for 5 hours after the cops had so nicely put me there. They were a treat. I'll never forget when the sheriff tried to trip me cause I wouldn't blow. Then they asked me 25 times why I wouldn't and what my name was... I enjoyed having to tell my parents. Boy, were they proud. I loved making payments on a car I couldn't drive. I loved contacting Alan Dingel asking for advice. Gee, the embarassment was gone in the matter of minutes. I think my favorite part was losing my license for 6 months. That's what not blowing gets you. No car, no driving, nothing... Bike and my legs. Although I stayed on my Bike after that for 5 years... I preferred it, and learned my lesson. Anyone who knows me knows I come from no wealth, thus I worked every summer at BK cleaning the school to help with my tuition... College was no cheaper. No parental money. So, the $333 dollar ticket was no small price, plus the lawyer fees (need I quote) pretty much put me in debt. I directly went out and applied and got my 3rd job on top of school. Yeah, yer right... It was a cake walk. Man, I have it easy.

Your jealousy of me is sick and twisted. I was given the gift of friendliness. I network well. I genuinely like people, and vice versa. People can sense sincerity and that's me. So, I know some lawyers, business people and so on... I made those relationships. Not you, not my friends, not my parents... I was the one with the charisma which opened these doors. Don't act like these ppl would throw there reputation and names on just anyone. People protect their own. Sorry if you haven't taken better care of yourself by surrounding yourself with caring people.

Networking - This messageboard is a perfect example. Look at everything everyone is doing. Try being nice and maybe someone could help you out in the future. But instead, your bitterness has closed all doors. Meanwhile Sherilyn always offers her support for my website, Gonzo gives me free Hershey bars and Handley even gave me a free pizza once... Complain about that stuff why don't you. Hell, I look at this site as a 2nd chance with some ppl I didn't get to know as much as I would have liked.

Poor you, too unfriendly to matter. Too bitter to climb out, and all due to your misconception of who I am and my experiences. I'm glad I could affect your life so much... Just think, that happened a loooongggg time ago... You must seek help. It seems my mistake has caused more grief in your life than in my own... Plain weird. I never thought anyone could be so sorry. To tell you the truth, my confidence hasn't been too great lately, but you've helped me out. Thanks...

I extend my hug offer...

The bond that I have with people like Matt, Steve, Dave, etc......are the bonds that will never be broken. I still give Matt hell every chance I get simply because I feel that our friendship stands the test of time. I would not hesitate to stand up for his character or babysit his kids (well, if that ever happens).

It is time to put the past in the past. High school is over(for most of us). Please join us on this website with some of you positive experiences. There must be at least one.....I hope.

To my friends at BK (class of 1987 especially) Thank You for being my friend. Thank you for the bonds and the memories I have of BK. Thank you BK for simply existing. Thank you for giving me character, discipline, kindness. I believe that BK and you made me the success I am today.

I praise any graduate of BK and I respect any/all decisions you have made over the past years. If you stumbled, learn from it. If you triumphed, reflect. If you are homeless/jobless call me, I'll help. If you are too hurt to post your name then STOP. Don't ruin my memories of BK.

I am proud to be associated with people like Matt Dessert, Christine Mack, Sheri-lynn Orr, Julianne, JW, Don, Kristi, Patti, Katie, Herb, Craig (I will name them all if I have to). It is folks like this who make the world go round. You too will eventually run into a BK graduate. Have the guts, no the dignity, to say "hello"

Thanks,

Christopher Peck.

I'll vote for his class. I enjoyed it. But I love literature. All he tried to do is run class discussion on popular works. He was supportive to all answers, he was supportive in our writings and he also encouraged us to read out loud, which made the literature more fun. He wasn't very receptive to smart ass kids, and sorry, but 86 and 87 were plum full of this type... I thought he was more fair with us, than we were with him. I know a few classmates disagree, but I'll say most liked Lockne - not me. She was, well, rude/crass.

I'll also sign my name.

Matt Dessert

Lastly, how does one become so weak as to throw out judgemental, harsh or rude comments, and not sign their name. I have no respect for this...

I might not be the nicest person posting on this site, but at least I take responsibility for my own words...

Makes me want to sit down with Sherliyn and take a look at the backend, find the ip address, call the provider and nail down who you are... call you up from a pay phone and hang up --- 55 times a week for 8 weeks straight...

I think he deserved better. I know that BK has a "lofty" image in the community. I wish we would have lived up to that image more often.

I do not know where Dr. Michel is now, but I find it interesting from our principal, That he sent his kids to BK.

Christopher Peck Class of 87 (not afraid to sign).

i think i still got a phone dialer, you could set it up to call (blocking caller ID, of course) at, oh, say, 4 am for the next 12 months!...or even randomize it, keep him guessing!

just a thought....

from a fellow alum....class of '81,

Todd Kramis

LOL! I see we might be on the same page... Sounds groovey... and I hate to know who you have hazed with this before... but that explains the random phone calls I received since I was 12... maybe.

I'm still laughing... Love it. Thanks Todd, for the laugh.

matt